reverend jesse jackson's marching. reverend acry and the ministers. i think a lot of people that were concerned has escalated concerns. i think it's got to lead to the whole national drive that many of us are in around gun control. >> but here's what's so interesting. let's look at the city of chicago where this is a horrific really crime wave for the past year plus. this is a city that doesn't have gun shops. it does not have gun ranges. it has some of the toughest laws. so why is that not working? >> that is exactly why you need national laws. because in the city of chicago there are no gun shops. in the city of chicago there are strict gun laws. but 20% of the guns confiscated in chicago come from a gun shop right outside of chicago. so unless you have national laws, you are not going to be able to do it with just local municipal laws because you can't build walls around the city. 20% of the guns they find come from one gun shop, which is just a couple of miles outside of the city limits. if you had national legislation, you would not have the high